The Bender Continues
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The Bender Continues
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Ever been caught between a golf ball and a hard place—or rather, a hungry alligator? I sure have, and it's just one of the wild tales we're sharing in our latest foray into the maddening, yet magical world of golf. Together with golf aficionado Bobby, who went from teeing off casually to outright obsession, we peel back the layers of this sport where camaraderie on the green can turn friends into frenemies and vice versa, depending on whose ball lands in the drink.
From the lush fairways of Bay Hill to the raucous crowds of the Waste Management Phoenix Open, we recount the journeys that have turned golf from a simple game into a lifestyle. We chat about how a round of golf can be the perfect escape or the ultimate stress test, delve into the psychology of the sport, and share some pro tips on syncing schedules for that elusive round with pals. Plus, we don't leave out the nitty-gritty of golfing amongst the gators or the anticipation stirring in our bellies for the 'Happy Gilmore' sequel—because who doesn't love a good laugh?
Wrapping things up, our conversation swings into the elegance of golf traditions and how they're evolving right before our eyes. From the links to the 19th hole, we examine the unwritten rules that keep the game classy, yet we ponder the shifting sands of golf attire, asking whether polos are still par for the course. So, pull up a golf cart, grab your favorite club, and join us for an episode that promises to entertain, enlighten, and maybe even improve your handicap.
Welcome to the Bender Continues podcast. On today's episode we're going to dive into a game that has exploded in popularity over the last four years.
James:We're talking about a sport where in one moment you could have hit your best shot and just feel on top of the world. But following up next effort can cripple your confidence and just have you questioning everything about your life. Many would say that the mental battle is more straining than the physical toll on those trials and tribulations.
Ryan:This game can offer a sanctuary where players can escape the hustle and bustle of everyday life, sharing laughs with close friends and also fueling their competitive spirits long past their prime. Today, folks, we're talking about golf Four Sometimes we say that too often.
James:Hey, listen, that's like a two-off Ryan should have said it once, because he hit my dad I've hit, I've gotten hit yeah but that was on purpose.
Kenny:That was on purpose.
Ryan:I've hit your father. I hit the cart in front of us and gave him a beer. Oh, that's right. A couple people have been in my path, that's right, but you know what that means is I can't reach him. No way, ryan, go ahead and tee off. Okay, maybe not your dad. Your dad was a chipped shot. Yeah, that was, it was going onto the green.
James:He was just walking onto the green. That's a great shot then. You were short Pin was in the back there, and so was the ball. Just my dad's back.
Kenny:Well, you guys play a lot. I mean, you guys play a decent amount.
James:Yeah, yeah, the amount of money. I've spent on golf.
Kenny:How often do you think you play?
Ryan:I try to play once a month.
Kenny:Once a month.
Ryan:That's a goal. Now sometimes it varies because I'll play two or three times a month and then I won't play for a couple months. I think more probably january to august I'll play. I try to play at least once a month, maybe twice, but then august to december football season that it goes down I would like to play more.
Kenny:I mean, if I was closer to you guys, I think that I would play more with you. I think that's half the. The issue is like you just need to give. Going to play golf by yourself is not the well. Some people do it a lot, some people yeah, it's not the it's not gonna lead me into the sport more to go play by myself.
Ryan:But if you guys were going once a month and you're like, hey, come on, let's go, and then I would probably jump into that, I'd be more likely to jump into that and go play with you, except for the fact it's two and a half hours away we had a good stretch in orlando, maybe last year, where we were getting out the three of us at least myself, james and johnny monthly, um, so yeah, and then the other thing is, when you do invite me, you go to like a three-day fucking tournament.
James:I'm not I can't go from playing. No, that was one.
Kenny:No golf to six games of golf in two days, like you guys are insane. It was one time.
Ryan:Here comes the extreme. You got Bobby now.
Kenny:Yeah, now and then Between Bobby Dylan and I. I think we'll start to go a little bit more.
Ryan:If y'all recall, Bobby was our first caller guest Called in a couple episodes ago.
James:Talk about someone that flip of a switch to turn into a golf maniac.
Ryan:Yeah.
James:Goodness but.
Kenny:We have friends that um played collegiate golf but and they asked us to go to the on the course all the time and I'm not going no these kids are like. I mean they played, I don't know, I guess, division one like a top top school collegiate golf. I mean they're just gonna crush us. Oh just, I'm not even gonna. It'd be two holes. I'll be like, all right, I'm done, it's not fun no, someone's really good and you're really bad.
James:It's that's it gets amazing at golf well, what was it, ryan? The mental battle is more string than the physical toll dude 100 like.
Ryan:But that's also what keeps you coming back. You had it 17 horrific holes. You're pissed off the entire day and then you finish with a great hole, the entire mental challenge is gone.
James:It's like, oh, I'm all happy again. It's the worst, but it's the best.
Kenny:We're in the best area for golf.
Ryan:Florida yeah 100%. Jupiter, west Palm South.
Jonny:Florida.
Ryan:There's so many beautiful courses, the amount of pro golfers that live here.
James:Oh man, 100% florida.
Ryan:There's so many beautiful courses the amount of pro golfers that live here. Just yeah, yeah, 100. No, I think, having living in florida, we 100 have the opportunity to get out there as much as possible year round if we choose. Um, I mean, the joke is right. You drive to the west coast of florida all the retirement homes and whatnot, there's a golf course every other street light. It feels um.
James:So we definitely have that opportunity, which is nice yeah, yeah, florida golf courses are a specific type of golf course too. Okay, um a lot of water or more, so for sure a hundred percent.
James:So a hundred percent. So I mean you, I've been to other golf courses in other states and they just, they just don't have as much water we have. I mean, it's all swamp land like we've, all we have is just water here. So when they build these golf courses, they use that as to like to retain water. You know, because especially for flooding, that's one of the biggest things.
Kenny:I'm trying to think of the other courses that we've been to outside of Florida.
James:I mean, you've been to the Arizona golf course we went to for Ryan's bachelor party. That's where you got hit.
Ryan:Kenny, maybe that's why you don't remember the whole.
Kenny:That course was beautiful A little fuzzy for you.
James:It was a desert so there wasn't much water out there. And then we played in Brooklyn for Johnny's bachelor party.
Ryan:That was a trek.
Jonny:Sure was it was a good time, we did not make all 18.
James:No absolutely not Diker Heights. Funny enough, I actually didn't realize this when we booked it. My grandpa grew up there, that's where he was born and raised, kind of deal dyker heights. Funny enough, I actually didn't realize this when we booked it. Um, my grandpa grew up there, that's where he was like born and raised, kind of deal, um, and when we went it was his birthday. So I gave him a call, you know, gave him a happy birthday. He's like, yeah, we're gonna play golf today. He's like where are you gonna play? We're like we're playing in brooklyn. He's like you're playing at dyker heights. I was like, yeah, so I ended up getting him a golf shirt for for him from that uh.
James:Yeah, that was kind of cool. It was a kind of cool moment His older brother used to bartend at the 19th hole, which is another thing that's at like every golf course. Such a cliche at this point. What about hole zero? Let's try that one out. No. Maybe, yeah, but the warm-up That'd be good.
Kenny:The warm-up Start there yeah.
Ryan:What do you guys drink the? What's those drinks? Transfusion, transfusion only on a golf course.
James:Yeah, you guys drink a lot of those, so good but let me tell you the nicest golf course I've ever played was up in montana podunk town, small, like you know, one stoplight type situation. It's in eureka, montana. It's called the wilderness club. Holy crap, played it before um my childhood friend's wedding. It was unbelievable. Unbelievable, of course, you know me. I had to ship my clubs out, yeah was that a southwest?
Ryan:was that a southwest flight was?
James:it free expensive, it's fine. No, just Southwest. I get it for free, whatever. But anyways, what was your question it was about? If you shipped them out on Southwest, yeah, southwest, southwest no.
Kenny:Where did we go that you were the only person? Oh, vegas, that was Vegas. Vegas we played in.
James:Vegas. We did in the strip, though now I don't know I'd love to play at um, johnny, what is it?
Ryan:the golf course, the two, the win, yeah the win, the win, the win, holy shit. Shell out some fucking dollars for that.
James:They got a fucking waterfall on like 18 or something.
Ryan:It's gorgeous, it's absolutely gorgeous now back to montana with it like it's only open for a couple months out of the year, right?
James:so I don't know, like brooklyn we played in, I think may. Um, it's, it's really close to canada, like the border was like 20 minute drive away. Yeah, well it's got to get cold, so I would assume.
Ryan:Yeah, it's got to get cold. It's fucking montana kenny you can't.
Jonny:How many oceans are there?
Kenny:I didn't get that wrong.
Ryan:I asked that because my brother that's where Joe's from. My brother when he switched jobs he did a training session in Wisconsin for six months, but he said some of the golf courses there, some of the nicest he's played at. So it just seems that the northern feel, you know, kind of offers that, which is a little surprising for us being in Florida with having access to so many golf courses. And then you go up north to some of these. It's a different dynamic, just the grass I I, this is different.
James:I agree the grass, but also like how they design the courses, are a lot nicer where, um, the rough and then you go into kind of like the out of balance portion is more just like forest, but without a bunch of crap on the grounds, where in florida we've got bushes and this and that and this freaking you know weed growing and this. It's just absolutely. You can never find your ball. The minute you go towards the trees it's gone right, like that's kind of the deal. You go in the trees up in some of these other courses and you have some space someone at this table knows a lot about hitting the trees hey, hey, hey.
Ryan:He also knows a lot about the rough. I believe you played at Arnold Palmer.
James:Did a couple years ago and at Bay.
Ryan:Hill and the rough you were telling us was.
Jonny:You're deep in the rough. It's grabbing. You're hacking a lot of grass and just hoping and praying. And then when you do hit the ball and make a little contact, it goes about five feet and then it just goes more into the rough a little bit further. Yeah, trees, though. We love some good old trees, winter pines, baby.
James:Winter pines, baby, yes, that's a good one. That's the OG. We haven't played there in a long time. Dude the prices are.
Ryan:It is over $50 at Winter.
Jonny:Pines now.
Ryan:Yes, changed some things around, though a couple buddies have told me that they've been pumping some money into it. Um, it was kind of already a nice course for being cheap, surprisingly very busy in the middle of orlando, so I'd be excited to play it again.
James:However, you got to bring a foursome, got to yeah, yeah, there's a lot of nice courses in orlando. There's a lot of nice courses all over florida. So I mean, florida is obviously where we played the most. Yeah, um, it's, it's. You could play all year round it. Honestly, it's crazy how much the freaking prices spike towards the winter and yeah, and also getting tea times is really difficult.
James:Yeah, yeah, you really got to be on, on it out some, some courses will let you do like two weeks in advance, but basically every course is like a week in advance yeah, it's, it's crazy, and if you're not on it yeah I want to turn it back to you talking about the florida courses.
Ryan:Water right. Water brings gators, and you talked about. You talked about gramps, though, earlier yeah, there's a golf moment that I'll never forget, where gramps legend he's. I think it's 17 at lake placid yeah, yeah and he's teeing off. He's got a gator maybe where john and I are to to you two just chilling with, doesn't even pay attention to it, og hits one just center yeah, straight in the middle of the fairway.
James:No, I'm telling you a legend two, two feet away from him, maybe huge, big one, not a baby, a big mama six to eight feet.
James:Yeah easy, just sunning, just chillingning, just chilling Right on the tee box and he just walks up nonchalant, doesn't care. I'm going to the back of the freaking cart grabbing a club, just in case I got to beat the shit out of freaking Wally the Gator over here. Yeah, I agree, that's a lot of Gators, a lot of Gators, and sometimes they'll remove them them, but sometimes they just let them be because they don't really bother anybody. Um, yeah, there's a. There's a lot of famous uh like videos of like you just see like a giant gator just walking across a golf course in florida. It's kind of insane.
Ryan:I feel like it's happened on a couple. I feel like it's happened at bay hill a couple times on the pga tour yeah well did it happen?
Jonny:remember we're at shingle creek, and there's the, the gator his cousin. Yes, in the in the sand your cousin in the sand, that's oh, that's right, thomas. Yeah, it's a legama thing, yeah, yeah just chill, I'm just gonna knock this ball out the sand real quick, even though it was a gator three, four feet away from me like it was nothing. I'm just like what dude?
James:I mean, the most famous gator of all time has to be the one that took Chubbs' hand. Ah, chubbs.
Kenny:RIP for Chubbs. That's a big one, aren't they?
Jonny:making another. Stop, they're making another.
Kenny:I heard they got approved, or something like that.
Jonny:Adam Sandler ain't playing around.
Ryan:He's doing it, I think god, oh yeah, he's playing jobs what is, what is he? Going to be the coach now. It's in development for sure it would.
Kenny:If adam sandler is not in it, it wouldn't. It wouldn't go. No, I wouldn't hit. Of course you got to have a happy gilmore production like there's no way to have that, oh that thing's gonna kill it.
James:Wow. Okay, I'm excited. I years later too. Yeah, how many years when was that?
Kenny:when did that come out? The, I mean, it's a Happy Gilmore production.
Ryan:so oh, it's from the 90s. It has to be, it's got to be in the 90s. It's a young Sandler. Where was it filmed? Ooh, that's a great question.
James:I'm just curious Maybe some of the golf courses they might have played.
Kenny:Wouldn't be surprised. Got to be Florida. You think they can stage?
Ryan:a lot of that. Yeah, that's a good question Better golf movie Happy Gilmore or Caddyshack Happy Gilmore.
James:Happy.
Ryan:Gilmore, it doesn't even compare, it's an OG. Ty, we were talking about Caddyshack earlier, man Happy.
Jonny:Gilmore no doubt about it, I'm going to go.
Kenny:Caddyshack.
Jonny:That's fair, do they?
Kenny:have Shooter McGavin in it again.
Ryan:I don.
Kenny:That's going to be good, man, I mean because I think a lot. For the most part, most of those people are still in production in some way, because they were so young early on when that got produced. So you're going to have a 2.0, and it's going to be killer.
James:Well, while we're talking about all these different courses, I'm just curious because obviously I feel like we've thought about where we want to play next. I mean, yeah, we've got Florida and we want to obviously keep playing, but there's probably some bucket list places out there that you guys have wanted to try to play around at or just like the course just looks amazing and you just have to play there at some time. I don't know if you guys have any bucket list courses on your docket.
Kenny:Well, I mean, if you watch like full swing on netflix, um, I think that's a really good indicator of seeing courses that you would never see. Right, like, if you're not an avid, avid golfer, you're not going to fly to europe to go on courses and whatnot, but you have the opportunity to see these beautiful courses and I think europe as a whole, um, and a lot of places that they go I think you were saying scotland, right, st andrews, yeah, beautiful, beautiful courses like these courses are just like. I mean, they have just the architecture for the clubhouses to like hills that are overseeing bodies of water and it's just amazing, like it's gorgeous.
Kenny:so I think that, uh, yeah, big ups, big props to fulling, because that show is awesome, and then also the courses in Europe would be like an awesome place to play.
Jonny:Yeah, I would say. So your question, james. I kind of think of it in two parts, right. I think about where I would want to play and then also where I would want to maybe attend an actual golf event.
Jonny:Okay, there, okay there I like that and I think it's a no brainer, obviously like Augusta. No doubt about it. The master is like it was very close to going last year. Should have pulled the trigger, should have did it. We did not, however, um, there's nothing just like getting an egg sandwich for $1.50 over at the Masters. The fact that the food prices are that cheap is so cool, and that makes it even more cheese sandwich.
Jonny:I also think it's really cool that there's still a venue, wherever it is and whatever, like sport concert, where you don't bring your phone. There's nothing like that, the fact you cannot have your phone there's nothing like that. That's unique, the fact you cannot have your phone at the masters.
Kenny:Nope, I didn't know that I mean, it's like a whole different world.
Jonny:It's so cool and like that just kind of keeps that just the the old school mentality and keeping the game of golf still very similar to where. Hey, let's just have a tune eye on what we're looking at. Um, how, do they stop that. I think you have to put it in a bag or a locker and then most people just don't bring it. I don't necessarily know, to be honest, but you don't bring your phone in, which is very unique. I'm sure people try to sneak in.
Kenny:They don't want to film.
Jonny:That's why, yeah, they don't want that now.
James:It. Uh, I'm sure people try to sneak in. They don't want to film. That's why, yeah, they don't want that. It's kind of like going to like netflix stuff, like they put it yeah, a little bag or whatever doesn't don't we know someone? Oh, isn't eric fogel, doesn't he have a place?
Jonny:in augusta. Yeah, apparently I believe his, his family or his parents lived in the neighborhood. Wow where?
Jonny:they would get like practice, to like tickets every year to go to the practice, and then there's a lottery to either get Thursday, friday, saturday, sunday, which is unreal, right, yeah. Um, one of the things that got me into golf and it's not a specific course is obviously witnessing the Ryder cup. I remember watching the Ryder cup I think it was two, three years ago. Um, that's just really cool because it's like that camaraderie. It's the team sport which, full swing, actually did a really good job at breaking that down for those that maybe don't know about golf, but yeah, it was awesome.
Jonny:I think a course I would play at that or I would dream to play at is either pebble beach, pinehurst or, of course, like saint andrews, like that would be dope and those are all like bucket list, but yeah definitely top three there for the masters.
Ryan:The reason you can't bring your phones in. They gotta you know they can't let it be known about the birds. Isn't the whole rumor? If there's actually birds there, if they're pumping in the sound at the masters, isn't that?
Jonny:that is uh, that is, that is a true statement right there. I've actually read that and I heard that the phones the proof.
Ryan:Are there birds? Are there not? I don't know. So maybe that's behind it. It's just so that course is just beautiful it's true, james all right bucket list.
James:Bucket list sorry um agree on.
Ryan:If you're not into golf, full swing really breaks it down for you. We've watched it the last two, the first two seasons. It always aligns right before bay hill, which we've now gone to the last three years. So for my wife at least, she feels really good about knowing all the golfers from what we binge watch it and then go um. But they did have rider cup, great breakdown um for me, I think I want to play in hawaii and I don't not specific course, just any course in Hawaii it's really windy though.
Ryan:Very windy, but I mean the views, just the water right there.
James:That would do it for me what's the course you guys always go near Because Morgan's family has the timeshare on Maui.
Ryan:I don't know the course, but that's probably the best chance.
James:It's right by the Marriott, right, yeah, yeah, that's probably the best chance. It's right by the Marriott, right? Yeah, yeah, that's a nice course, I mean.
Ryan:Now I also don't know what condition it's in with all the stuff that happened in Maui.
James:That was in Lahaina. I think that was up north, so that was where the golf courses that we're talking about is, more south right. Did it go down there?
Ryan:There's one in Lahaina that we, we, would always drive by. That, I've thought, might be the one I could play at. But there is also one I guess you're right on the other side, by the Marriott.
James:Yeah, that's the one I was thinking of. We stayed close to it, and I know you guys have talked about that Marriott a couple times. It's really nice.
Ryan:Yeah, I'm with you, though, to attend, yes, masters Ryder Cup. It looked crazy, it looked intense.
James:Probably expensive as shit.
Ryan:You probably want to go to the one on US soil. Get more rowdy, because going over to Europe you're in enemy territory.
Kenny:It looked rowdy, that guy, the blood pumping, though.
Ryan:Oh, for sure.
Kenny:If that doesn't get you going, damn. It was really cool to see that and whatnot. I didn't really know much about the Ryder Cup prior to watching it on full swing. I knew of the rider cup but I didn't really. I've never watched anything about it so I didn't really dive deep into that. But they break it down really good. Show you the behind the scenes. Show you the process that these guys are going through, which is pretty grueling throughout the year because a lot of pressures on them yeah and um.
Kenny:It also helped you understand, like, how the positioning worked in it, because obviously there's the points based, based uh, players that get in, um that are basically in because of their performance for the season yeah then the other ones that are selected, which is just, it's just cool. It's literally like the fucking olympics.
Ryan:It's awesome talk about the energy levels. I was watching a clip on the way here of it was a couple years ago, but it was Bryson First hole and he just puts it on the green.
Jonny:Oh, he piped the ball he piped it.
Ryan:People are going fucking nuts. I'm sitting on the train coming down going fucking nuts. It's a cool experience, man. It'd be awesome for us to go in person.
Jonny:That was at the 2021 Ryder Cup right In Wisconsin. Yeah.
James:It's pretty, so funny. I used to, um, so I've been brought up in golf for a while now. Uh, I played since middle school like I. Actually, my grandparents got me lessons. That was one of the biggest things because they lived on a uh, I guess, a private course, uh, part of their like big neighborhood, so they had, you know, only they could bring people on. Uh, my uncle was one of the uh golf pros there, so he's the one actually taught me how to play.
James:But anyways, long story short, I used to sit at their house and there'd be golf on tv and it was so boring, so boring and like I was like man. Every sunday we come here for dinner I gotta watch golf and it's just like oh, great hit, wow, tiger with that putt, very good, very good, and I'm just like this is so, and now, all of a sudden, it's insane. But nevertheless, just wanted to share my bucket list real quick. I agree with all you guys, what you guys said, but two that haven't been said. I really want to go to Whistler, canada. Ooh, that'd be good. They've got a couple of courses that I'd like to play like kind of like multiple rounds at, and then I just our guy, steve Cook, st George, utah. Something about like the Grand Canyon-esque, like really high elevation golf shots with the, you got the brown and then the green grass. It just looks really cool. Aesthetically it looks awesome.
Ryan:Maybe that's also what the Northern courses bring. Is that elevation that we just don't have? That we're flat in Florida? Yeah, that's true. So we're Hilly, yeah.
Kenny:One thing that um an experience in the golf world that we took part in, which was is now renamed, but the Honda classic. Honda Classic, that was an event that we went to together. That was really awesome, yep, and that was.
James:It's no longer called the Honda Classic anymore.
Kenny:No now it's called the the Cogent. What is?
James:it Cogent, what is Cogent?
Kenny:Cogent. It's like a tech company or something like that.
Kenny:Yeah, good. So yeah, I mean now it's not called the Honda Classic, but when was really cool and I did not realize how much is put into the sporting event, uh, particularly the honda classic, because that was the one that we went to. But I could not imagine a live event like, uh, masters or rider cup, I mean, where it gets even more rowdy. I mean this year, I think, for for one, you saw how rowdy things got with the waste management uh, yeah, uh tournament this year, which was in many cases like kind of put to a halt because there was a lot of people and a lot of people drinking very heavily, so that that is a tournament that gets pretty crazy.
Kenny:And I would like to see you know the waste management kind of infrastructure, because I think it's nuts compared to a lot of other events. But compared to other sporting events, because I've been to, and we've all been to baseball games, football games, ufc fights, um, everything, I mean any type of game I feel like we've we've basically all been to at one point in our lives. But golf tournaments compete like at a high level with a lot of these, and I think maybe more so now as it's picked up speed and as more people started to play the sport. I mean, how many people go to these tournaments? Massive amounts.
Kenny:I don't know how many people were at waste management, but that was one of the reasons why they had to shut down. I think the alcohol sales and whatnot at the event. So it's picking up, it's getting crazy. And I think the alcohol sales and whatnot at the event. So it's picking up, it's getting crazy. And I think it competes with some of the largest stages out there.
Ryan:So we went to Bay Hill, which is about a month after the Arn Palmer. Invitational a month after waste management and they changed the alcohol policies PGA did and they said strictly because of what happened at waste management, their cutoff is a lot sooner Because before we I remember last year we were there the they're done like the last group is finished and we're still at the uh kettle one bar hanging out, but I think what was it? Four o'clock, they were cutting off yeah, so on.
Jonny:On friday is when I found out, and we went saturday too, but yeah friday they stopped serving like 4, 4, 30 which is absurd, like very unique. Unique compared to again last year. It was dark and we were still getting drinks.
Ryan:But it's a direct reaction to the waste management.
Kenny:But it makes me think that the stage for just golf, large golf events as a whole. Right, you know how many people can go into a football stadium. There's a certain amount of seats. You know how many people can go into a football stadium. There's a certain amount of seats. You know how many people can go into a baseball stadium? There's a certain amount of seats. Or a UFC fight there's a certain amount of seats. What's their cap on a lot of these? Because it's outdoors, people are moving around, people are walking.
Kenny:They're not really sitting at all, I mean there are seats in some of the spots, but how are they regulating the amount of people going into these events, because it's a completely different game than really any other sport it's also a lot longer than a single game oh yeah football.
James:Definitely, you could be there from sun up sundown. Yeah, easy, like we did. Yeah, we closed the bar, we helped them pack up and take out the trash, and it's multiple days.
Ryan:Most of these things oh yeah, three, four days, usually, depending on which saturday, sunday thursday, friday, saturday, sunday, things like that.
Kenny:So I mean it's multiple days, not that everyone's going to every single day, but it's a different, uh different style of a large stage event than the others like it competes with. But the point is it's getting big and it's getting big fast, potentially too fast.
Jonny:Yeah, I think it's safe to say there's been companies that or organizations that have struggled while the pandemic was happening. I think it's safe to say the PGA definitely leveled up and found a niche during that time when everyone was at home. I also think because in certain areas and in Florida I was reading up on this the other day In Florida we weren't really impacted as much because of closures and whatnot and golf was always open, right, but a lot of northern states and a lot of other states that had more strict rules where people weren't able to play golf. What that did was push more people to play golf in 2021. And that's where you saw that large growth and kind of that following within the PGA.
Jonny:But it's it's on a different level and I think, as all organizations need to adapt and really follow, like what the trends are, they are tapping into a younger target market, which it's not so much that old man you know sport or following as much as it was. It's still there, um, but there's just a younger demographic and like for the waste management to be one of the biggest like spots for bachelor parties, like just shows you how, like nuts and I I know like one thing, like pga has tried to stay away from is, like you know, that live fun vibe, having live music. But there's more and more courses now that are doing that in the pga, so it's just unique. Um, it's changing I think, it's great for golf.
Jonny:Now is it a little crazy that, like you, have to stop serving alcohol because of the amount of kids and people getting hammered at the waste management? Pretty crazy story. But um, and then that obviously have an impact at five o'clock at the arnold palmer five, four or five weeks later, yeah, uh, it's interesting, but still still pretty unique.
Ryan:You talk about waste management I mean now with the nfl and that additional buy. It literally falls. I believe the last two years now it falls on the same weekend as the super bowl. There was one year that the super bowl, it was the same weekend in arizona so it is, it is rivaling the super bowl and we missed it.
Ryan:We did, but just it adds to the popularity. I think one cool thing about a live golf event is every ticket is vip. I mean you can, you are so close to these professional players, whether they're teeing off or putting or whatever, and you don't have to pay for court side. You don't have to pay for first row pricing, it's just general admission and you can be, you know, an arm's length away and just experience that. So that's a pretty cool dynamic that it brings.
Kenny:I just looked this up. Um now, according to TPC Scottsdale, the Waste Management Open is described as the best attending golf tournament in the world, with more than 700,000 fans in attendance each year. Now, of course, it's a multi-day event, but 700,000. I mean, if you think about the biggest football stadium, you're probably….
James:That's seven games. You're at the biggest ones yeah, 100,000.
Jonny:And pushing yeah, which doesn't happen.
Kenny:Every single game that's, and that's like that's not even nfl, that's college state like the michigan yeah states and that's lsu one game event one day, and that's if, if they sell out which I mean is insane 700 000 people is ridiculous. I mean that's like so fucking close to a million we recently did it we gotta get to a million.
James:We gotta get to it.
Kenny:We recently did an episode about you know ultra attendance and some of these like edc and things like that, and they don't even have 700 000 and that's like multi-stages. They rent the entire city Like it's crazy. So $700,000.
Ryan:You just don't think about it because, like you said, it's free-flowing, like there's not really a true tracker. It could be more than that there's just people flowing. I mean, I know we were asking ourselves at Arnold Palmer people just walk in, like there's so many different gaps for that.
Kenny:Yeah, gaps, it's hard that. Yeah, I mean you're talking about an entry point of like how many places where you can enter, uh, any type of golf course. Yeah, I mean they try to do their best to cap that.
Jonny:But yeah difficult so I just looked up how many people were in like proximity and area during the super bowl. The number was a guesstimated around 300 000 people, could you imagine. So that is on a sunday, and then ty and let's just say a hundred thousand people on sunday for the waste management that is a lot of traffic and a lot of people in that area, that city.
Jonny:That's crazy. Great for the numbers. I did not realize the companies around there. Yeah, 700 000, that's a lot, I mean, and that's not even counting people that probably come in that don't actually go, but are there.
Kenny:yeah, I did not realize Great for the companies around there.
Jonny:Yeah, 700,000 is insane.
Kenny:That's a lot, I mean, and that's not even counting people that probably come in, that don't actually go, but are there?
James:for different reasons.
Kenny:So, like you said, you looked up around. There are certain people that don't have the tickets but still are involved with the festivities around it. That was like 700,000 people in attendance.
Jonny:That's nuts.
James:So I mean they usually bring a million around it's insane, crazy.
Ryan:Kenny, you talked about the Honda Classic, so James and I actually had the opportunity to play there as part of like a boys golf trip. So we basically our friends Eric Fitzgerald and Tanner Moeller got us an in and we did a. Was it three days of?
James:golf Thursday to Sunday. But yeah, thursday to Sunday. So we came in on. There was actually five rounds of golf. We ended up playing.
Ryan:Yeah. So I just think that those, the boys and golf trips, I think that's the future, right? We got our bachelor parties and they're starting to fizz out. What's the next excuse to? Hey, sweetie, let's get a weekend together. The boys are going out. Oh yeah, we're going to go play some golf, for sure. Then the late night festivities happen. So I'm excited to see maybe that next phase of life play out. I think it's going to be with golf trips.
Kenny:It would be a good one. I mean, that isn't uncommon already.
Ryan:People have done that in the past and you've always heard there's so many different videos out there that are like yeah, golf trip for the boys, and then it's just the boys having a hell of a time golf digest your golf.
Jonny:They're just, they're great.
James:Undefeated those posts what they put out.
Ryan:However, we definitely would play golf oh yeah, I'm not saying we wouldn't, we would. Yeah, we just might have be short we just might not be playing.
James:Yeah as many or yeah, you're right, might miss that first morning tea time after a night out, um, but it was a cool time playing on the honda classic.
James:I mean it's a challenging course. We got to play the championship course twice, one in the rain, which wasn't the greatest experience, but then we had the, but we we make it into a tournament, right, right. So like we bring like 16 guys, um, people pay in for for, um, uh, tournament winnings essentially, and and it's a whole different system going on there's side bets and all this stuff alcohol, I mean, dinners and stuff. I mean it's a whole, the whole nine yards. It's practically a production. Um, it's a lot, the whole nine yards. It's practically a production. It's a lot of fun. It's grueling, though I felt like I was at two days again. Yeah, I mean I had to bring the foam roller, the percussion massager, the bands to help me stretch. I mean we were putting our shoes and socks out on the balcony so they can freaking, you know get soaked up all the rain and sweat.
Ryan:The room doesn't smell either and I was snoring my ass off. I mean, you then recreated that for our friend group in Lake Placid last year.
James:Yeah, which honestly you could do it in any city. You just need maybe three courses in a weekend, play a back-to-back on Saturday and then you play one on Sunday and you can structure so many different types games. Golf isn't just what's the lowest score I can put on the on the course, right. You can do team challenges. You can do a variety of different types of scoring mechanisms. I mean, you got match play, you got scramble, you got best ball. You've got a couple of other things that are out there, like one played I played recently. It is called Lone Wolf or something like that, something around that name title. We've played Daytona whatever with Tanner and Fitz, where you count the scores differently based off of if you get par or not.
James:It's a whole thing. It's a lot of fun. It creates competitiveness. You try to. You got handicapped, so there's a little bit more of a fairness play that comes with golf.
Ryan:You can come to the three day event and have fun and have, just you know, a really high handicap and still be competitive.
Kenny:But I just don't, I don't. It's not that I don't want to. I don't have the time.
Ryan:You don't want to hang out with us for three days?
Kenny:No, I don't have the time to make five fucking rounds of golf. We didn't say five.
James:We said three, but if anyone out there is actually looking for maybe a template for this, we have one for you, so we can send it to you. Just go ahead and hit us up.
Kenny:If I need a template for my golf.
James:Not for your golf, for hosting a golf tournament.
Ryan:In a sense, you know, james has everything in Excel of every event he's ever planned, including this template.
Kenny:I'm going to measure your performance of a three-day event. This one's in words. We're going to need 20 guys, 16.
James:He said 16. 16. 20 gets a little crazy. Oh shit, sorry, five tee times.
Ryan:It's crazy. How many mulligans do you allow in your event structure, James?
James:Well, we actually did beerigans. What do we call them Chull beerigans? What do we call them chug chug, chug chugans?
Jonny:oh yeah, where you had to chug a beer in order to get a mulligan. Yeah, how many chugans you use john not enough um, but you were allowed one mulligan.
James:You just had to pay into the mulligan because, remember, this is like there's a winnings, it's a tournament, you're trying to compete, so you can't just give out free mulligans. Not everyone uses a mulligan all the time. Some people would, some people wouldn't, um and uh. So if you, if you wanted to use a mulligan and you had to pay I think 20 bucks, something like that, um, so that's what we do. But when we normally play golf, we we usually just do a mulligan in the front, mulligan in the back, nine, um, sometimes I guess you can call the breakfast ball a mulligan, I don't know, so question for you is a mulligan, just off the t-box, or can you use it on the fairway?
James:yeah, you know what this is? Oh, because I just had.
Jonny:I haven't played golf in about six months and I actually went golfing with the client the other day and it was coming down to the wire and you gotta let the client win. Know competitive spirits come out a little bit. He's got to see who he's working with. Secure the bag. He drops the second ball about 40 yards away on hole 17. I go, okay, Using my mulligan, I said all right.
James:Listen, nothing will be what Tim did.
Jonny:Oh, he's done that on the green, on the green.
James:For a putt. He took a mulligan, he sank it, he did and then walked away and I think he somehow one or something like it helped him. We propel him to.
Ryan:We lost, but we played him and his and our friend kyle, so bash. We lost by one fucking stroke on 18, yeah, and he used a mulligan, like on nine for a putt. Yeah, fucking bullshit, it's, it's no, I'm a firm believer.
James:Mulligans should only be on the t-box yes, agreed, I will hear that, tim, I will meet someone halfway with a mulligan up to um. You know your wedge shot essentially onto the green, so if you want to take it from tee box to before the green I'll meet, but a putt, no chance in hell. No chance in hell yeah it's.
Jonny:I don't know if it's just because started really playing more golf with you guys and we just always mulligans off the tee box yeah, that's it. That's how I was taught but I never even thought it was possible.
Ryan:Then we go to the fairway and then people just graduate straight full send to the putter well, we were at his course, so we really couldn't. Our home course, home rules fine, but still it was asinine.
James:that's like when you play monopoly else's house. You know they got all these fucking rules going on Bullshit.
Ryan:Let's clap it up. The little golf clap for Johnny, not playing for six months and having a competitive match there, Johnny.
Jonny:Well, it wasn't competitive what?
James:do? I mean Johnny comes out swinging, just don't put him in the same cart with my dad.
Kenny:Do you play golf a lot for business? Do you play?
Jonny:golf a lot for business, not as of late, but I typically would be like once or twice every few months. It depends on also the client, if they enjoy it. If they enjoy it, yes.
James:Don't you play the Disney courses a lot too? Yeah For the client stuff, yeah.
Jonny:Wherever they want to play, I mean it just depends. But then again it's like, all right. Four or five hours on a golf course, it's a long time.
James:And.
Jonny:I think you have to have a fair balance of your casual conversation versus the business side, versus it's a lot, and that person also needs to be quote unquote maybe an extrovert if they're an introvert. So it is a lot to juggle. It's a great time. I love playing golf. Golf, I love getting out with people, but there's usually the clients and customers that are avid golfers. So it's just naturally like let's go out there and have a good time, but yeah, not as often on top of that you've got.
James:You've got to handle your cool yeah, well, that's another people want to see how you react to certain situations, and the golf course is to see how you react to certain situations, and the golf course is going to put you in many different situations. That's a good point, you don't are you gloating when you're kicking their ass? Are you uh constantly teaching them what to do, which I know is my biggest problem? I stopped that, so, but anyways, um uh, whether or not you're throwing clubs, getting angry.
Ryan:I've seen this man put a club into the fairway and it got stuck.
Jonny:He slammed the club. But that's Florida fucking golf. I'm sorry, man, you are making me sound like an angry golfer right now.
Ryan:One time, what happens to the best of us? That game was dug.
Kenny:One more time, though, and probably the funniest golf moment that I've ever had, was when Tim was saying how fucking amazing his I think it was a driver and he had this driver. He was like this fucking driver, it was a Scottsdale. I think this driver is amazing. I can't hit anything with this. He's gloating about it hole after hole and then Johnny's like let me use it. He goes, he fucking tees off and the head like launches. I remember that dude, it fucking just like it literally snapped off. He used it one time. He didn't even practice and he just, and all of a sudden it just broke in half. Tim, right in front of his life, he was just like he lost his whole game.
James:I'll have to ask Tim about this, but I sold Tim my driver.
Kenny:No, this was a rented club. It was the rented club. He was like asking the clubhouse can I buy?
Jonny:this club off, you guys.
James:He was going to buy it. He loved it. It was a Calilair. It was a nice green Calilair.
Kenny:And Johnny just fucking wrecked it. Johnny said no, you're not.
James:Meanwhile in fucking Brooklyn we got drivers that had dents on them, I mean.
Ryan:Yeah, who scheduled that event?
Jonny:It was a good time. It was a good time, we just slept for 14 minutes.
James:There's not many law courses. We did sleep for 14 minutes.
Kenny:I was actually playing really good that day. I don't know how, but I was dead. I was so fucking.
James:I've actually routinely played very well at all bachelor parties. There you go Extremely well.
Ryan:We make it. We here make it to about nine, and then we I think I play well at those, specifically for one reason I nine.
Kenny:And then we. I think I play well at those specifically for one reason. I think alcohol. One through three, no, one through three, I am just trying to get into things. And then from like four through nine, right, I play a little pretty decent, specifically because my energy level can't get past like a three, because I'm just completely wiped out. So I'm like the most calm person, probably the calmest I can be, because I have nothing left in me. So I'm like basically just perfect for golf. I'm just so calm I can't get mad because I just don't have it in me. So it's good. I think that's why I mean it sounds makes sense. I literally don't have it in me half the time.
James:I mean when we're going I'm like it's just still waking up it's hit or hit, hit or miss for me with once I'm starting to like get the alcohol flowing a little bit, you get loosey-goosey and whether or not I'm playing good or I'm still playing fucking awful but, yeah, I don't, I don't have that problem, that you're that situation, you're talking you didn't have enough fun the day before. Oh, I did.
Kenny:No, you didn't.
James:Oh, I did.
Ryan:All right, anyways, all right. We talked about Winter Pines and having to bring a foursome there and if you don't you get stuck with a random golfer. Now we've all been there where you just got a twosome or threesome and there's a little worry that, okay, are we going to make it just us or are we going to get someone paired? No, so what is that? What are the dynamics? I guess in your experience of having a random added to the group and then how? Do you determine who sits with the random?
James:That is always a debate when you have the threesome, yeah, yeah, when you got sits with the random, that is always a debate when you have the threesome, yeah, whoever shows up last.
Jonny:That's the golden rule. I will do this. I'm not bougie. I do not like to spend money on stupid stuff, but if I can prevent having a random person pay with me I will literally play pay for that spot. Yes, damn I. I just, it's just, I'm too cheap for that. I've done it. We've had some good times and I've had some very great conversations with random people, but there's just Again, it takes that one.
James:Didn't we have one guy recently where we were just like, please just go, just go play ahead, because we're just that bad. We were like holding them back. Maybe I was with somebody else, but this old guy, he was striping the ball just so good, and he's like waiting for us. We're like to find balls and he can't hit because you know where he's waiting on us to fucking hit and all this shit.
Ryan:It was really that's the worst because a lot of times the solo golfers they really and covid, when we you know you get your own carts. During covid we did, we sent the guy off. We had a, we had threesome but we had four total carts.
Ryan:Yeah we're just like yeah, you know you're a lot better than us. Why don't you just, yeah, I'll just hit the road, just just keep it moving? Because it's that like you have your own, like you're playing at your own pace. Right, you got your own vibes, your own feel. And then this person more times than not, they're a lot better than you. It's just, sometimes you get that great dynamic. It's awesome. You know it gels, but a lot of times it's kind of awkward and it's just. We didn't want this, we didn't sign up for this.
Kenny:We were all excited about the round and now well, you feel that push behind you too, like you feel them after. Oh, fuck the people oh from the people behind, just forget them. I fucking but I hate feeling rushed hate I don't like that, but you do feel that sometimes and that isn't. That is part of the game and then they don't know.
James:it's the people in front of you. Yeah, yeah.
Jonny:Right, it's so annoying. Listen. You paid to play. They paid just as much as you. They can wait, yep.
James:And you just got to tell yourself that At the end of the day, it's on the courses.
Jonny:They're behind me. Got to speed up. Yeah, the courses.
James:And you miss a two fast the course is the moderator of that, yeah, yeah, I should send out the, the what do they call them? The rangers? And they tell you you gotta you gotta pick up the pace of play.
Kenny:Pick it up. It is there a lot of?
James:the golf court carts now have, like the monitors, telling you what your pace of play is like yeah, that's true.
Ryan:Now, james, you made a comment about um, about coaching people on the golf course. You made that comment because john and I had an experience. We had adam vincent out on the golf course with us. That never happens, but we recently no, no years ago years ago, but we were only three and we had a random oh boy. His name was was mr james mr james story. Mr james is very good, and we had 18 holes of education from mr james, so I don't know if it's a james things about.
James:James thing about there's a lot of james is out there. All right, fun fact, but it's fun fact.
Ryan:We're the number one name in the last 100 years roughly 4 million people yeah, well over four, that's another dynamic, though, is like it's one thing if your boys are coaching up, but then you got this random guy, and I'm sure he's coming from a place of good intent. I just don't want to hear it like I got my own problems. I don't need 18 holes.
Jonny:He was coaching us now some of it was good advice. He was a great. He was a great guy, though he was. He was a phenomenal man we actually saw him back next year randomly at the api. And james is like, or ryan's like is that Mr James? And I was like no, james is like you. It's like right behind us he's getting food. No, is that Mr James? And there's Mr James with his daughter coaching his daughter.
Kenny:I'm like no, no, what's going on? Did he ever say he is?
Jonny:No, no, no. But the best part about Mr James was it wasn't even so much about trying to learn how to hit the club, which one to pull out all this good stuff. I'll never forget Ryan Salimos notorious, he doesn't like to grab his putter when he grabs his wedge. He'll grab his wedge, go walk about 100 yards to get to his ball, hit the ball, hold up everybody and Mr James goes. Come here, Ryan, and puts his arm around me. How old is this?
James:guy.
Jonny:Oh, 40s, 40s, yeah, mid-40s. Hey, when you go, grab your wedge, grab your putter, son, so that you can just walk up to the green and not keep the pace of play. I love how he says the sun thing. And literally I'm sitting here dying, because then, about four holes later, I did the exact same thing and then, oh, our ball's in the middle of the way. We don't got a ball marker. He's like gentlemen, it's very simple, just grab a quarter, grab a penny, a dime, a nickel. All you need is something and we're like okay. So he told us more about golf etiquette than anything.
Ryan:He did.
Jonny:I think there was one thing, he was a nice gentleman, he was. He was a nice guy.
Ryan:But he was like you guys listen bogey golf. Right, you guys want to play bogey golf. That's help with the mindset. Oh, I didn't get it, sir.
Jonny:I'm just trying to get triples right now. Okay, bogey golf. It did help, though that was the best advice I've actually ever gotten in golf and the putter with the wedge.
Kenny:I can see how that definitely fucks up.
Ryan:I don't know. I'm telling you Adam Vinson was with us. This is like 2021, 2020. We've been golfing together since college. No, listen, it happens.
James:But you made a point, johnny golf etiquacy. I think with the recent we covered COVID, there's a younger demographic coming into the game. The game has changed. The golf etiquacy is changing. Even just what people wear on a golf course is changing drastically. I mean, granted, you've got a little bit more. I'll call it louder golf shirts, kind of like what Ryan's wearing right now. I have my fair share of louder golf shirts. This is just from Copperhead, but yeah, they're more vibrant colors. Look at that. They're very comfortable.
Ryan:They are, but yeah, they're more vibrant colors Sounds good for the folks.
James:Look at that, look at this guy. They're very comfortable.
Ryan:They are extremely comfortable.
James:I wear mine to work now because they're that comfortable and people like them too. But yeah, I mean, golf efficacy is just changing in general. Music on the golf course. I don't remember playing with music ever when.
Jonny:I was learning how to play.
Ryan:No one had speakers out on the golf course.
James:It's like a normal thing. It's normal like they, they, the, the golf technology is like rooted around this. They have speakers that tell you okay, you're this far from the pin now and it's it's. Then it goes back to playing whatever classic rock, you know, country music, whatever you listen to on golf course, it's nuts, um. But I mean, yeah, the game itself is changing. Uh, it's not, it's not a major etiquette course, but I or game, but I still think that etiquette is is necessary, um, but that's a great point.
Jonny:I have a quick question on top of that. On the flip side it's do you think? Think polos should be required on a golf course?
James:Go ahead, I knew you were going to say go ahead. There you go Strictly. From the sun perspective, I like a polo.
Ryan:Toss the neck a little, that's true.
Kenny:That's all I mean that might be the reason why it's a thing I have no idea. I do think that there is a level of classiness that comes along with golf. I think it is a little bit more prestigious than, you're going to say, some other sports, and I think that that's part of it. I think, it keeps the like. What you wear is very important because it keeps the trend.
James:Look good, you play good.
Kenny:Yeah, it keeps the trend of the professionalism. It keeps the trend of the, the style of, of what they're going for. So I think it's definitely I, just as far as like the classiness, I think it's needed but you don't stop with just a polo, you tuck it in.
James:Oh, you're looking at me. Yeah, I'm looking at you Sometimes.
Ryan:I don't have a belt Sometimes. To the polo thing, though I don't think a polo is required. I think it's nice. However, tiger Woods, his classic red shirt. It's not always a polo and he's the best one.
Kenny:He's the best to ever do it.
James:It's like a mini polo thing.
Jonny:I think he he's one of the very few that was able to pull that. He's the best golfer of all time.
Ryan:I think it's a nice If you don't wear a polo, it's a very nice shirt, like a Lululemon type of make shirt, not just a regular t-shirt, gym shorts type of thing.
Kenny:You bring your Sunday's best out to the golf course. It gym shorts. You bring your Sunday's best out to the golf course.
Ryan:It makes sense. I typically wear a polo. I'm just saying for the sake of argument, not totally required. It's still a nice Class it up a little bit, Especially now.
Jonny:Like polos, they're made for athletics.
Ryan:They are.
James:They feel great. How about the golf pants? I just can't.
Kenny:Golf pants are tough in.
James:Florida they're tough. In Florida they're tough in Florida.
Kenny:Yeah, but there's golf shorts.
Jonny:Listen, you have so much more respect for a golfer, like on the PGA, when you see them walk for four days straight 18 holes and they're wearing pants.
Kenny:Yes, oh, my gosh Right.
Jonny:And you're complaining because you're hot on the side, like, oh my God, four drinks in and you're still sweating.
Ryan:Meanwhile they're going 18 holes and then look at the cat walking the back, the cat walking walking. I have respect for anyone just walks it.
Jonny:We're over there four in our golf cart, god forbid no carts on the grass car path only is the worst day ever.
James:We, we walked, uh, uh par three oh, that was dying tough yeah, I mean in 90, 100 degree weather. It's miserable, miserable, but man.
Ryan:I'll never forget my first time going to the Arnold Palmer Invitational, first time really getting exposed to golf. Johnny makes a comment Ryan, you're just better for this event than you do playing regular golf. I put on my, like you said, kenny, just your best. I had my best golf outfit I own for this PGA tournament. Johnny's looking at me. You fucking fraud.
Jonny:Still have your tube socks on I can't stand.
James:the tube socks. Thank you, I cannot stand the tube socks.
Jonny:I got on a bomb with tube socks on today baby.
Ryan:Hey, Ty loves some tube socks. Ty's got some tube socks on.
Kenny:We are believers in the tube socks.
Ryan:That's cool, man Not on a golf course tube socks. We are believers in the tube socks. That's cool man, Not on a golf course.
Jonny:That's our cue boys. Oh my God. Just to end the comment.
James:I cannot stand basketball shorts on a fucking golf course. I can deal with a regular t-shirt and nicer golf pants or something. No, fucking basketball shorts, it's just.
Kenny:I have not witnessed that, but I can see, it's a shame, that's what. I'm saying that is, and that's why I think there's a level of classiness that you need to take part in to play the game of golf, and I think that in you need to have that standard, like when you go to a hockey game like hockey jerseys, right. Like when you go to a hockey game, like hockey jerseys, right.
Ryan:like that's a thing like. So I mean, it's just part of the game. Yeah, it needs to stay. About the driving range. Can I wear my gym shorts to the driving range, get some practice?
Kenny:shots. You can do that. Let's go to top golf or something you go top golf I've never worn gym shorts to a golf course, let's get that under control no, no, no, no, no. We wouldn't let you.
Ryan:That's why you guys felt like a little bit of an attack. It's usually on the cheaper golf courses.
James:The more expensive ones will have a clothing requirement.
Jonny:They'll send your ass away, which I'm cool with.
James:I mean it's their property, it's their rules. Even some of them will say you have to wear pants.
Jonny:Which, hey, that's their rules, they're breathable.
James:Some of the golf pants nowadays, though, are breathable. Well, that's what I'm saying. The golf pants are nice.
Jonny:For sure, now you got.
Ryan:This guy says it like Mr.
Kenny:Golfer over here. Oh, I got a bunch of golfers.
Jonny:You've got some golfers on the PGA wearing like the. What are they called? The joggers, the joggers?
James:The joggers yeah, that's new which?
Jonny:is very new. It looks a little unique because you don't see a PGA person wearing those normally. But what's his name?
James:He wears them all the time it's like party on the bottom but business on top.
Jonny:I mean awful Short socks. You can see their little cankles. I don't know. Poop socks, baby, we know it's all for you.
Kenny:Any last minute thoughts on golf.
James:Get out and play.
Kenny:Yeah, get out and play. It's awesome, you got to dabble in it.
James:It's good for your health, especially as you get older.
Ryan:It's good for the boys. It keeps the competitive juices flowing as you get older. For sure it's quite worth it in the long run Absolutely.
Kenny:Awesome. See you on the course Until then the better continues.
