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The Hobbyist
Ever wondered how your passion for Uno or your Saturday morning birdwatching excursion might be more than just a way to pass the time? Kenny and I sure have, and we're taking you through the intriguing labyrinth of hobbies and free time in our latest audio adventure. We chat about everything from the bonding power of binge-watching reality TV with your spouse to the age-old query: Is working out really a hobby or just a necessary evil cloaked in sweat-wicking fabric?
Picture this: you're clutching a shopping basket in Hobby Lobby, surrounded by a treasure trove of crafts, but did you ever consider that your shopping spree might just be your hobby? That's the sort of revelation we stumbled upon in this episode, along with the therapeutic effects of hobbies that range from cooking up a storm to dodging paintballs. We're sharing personal tales of hobbies that stuck, ones that fizzled out, and how these pastimes shape our social lives, grow our skills, and sometimes, amusingly enough, burn a hole in our pockets.
Strap on your headphones and prepare for a rib-tickling dissection of what can be considered a hobby in our digital age. Can trolling online be a pastime? What about the simple act of snoozing? We're tossing these questions around, throwing in our two cents on guilty pleasures and the unexpected joy they bring into our bustling lives. It's all about the little things, like sneaking cookies or getting hooked on bushcraft videos, so tune in for a good laugh and maybe even an 'aha' moment about your own leisure pursuits.
You know, boys, the only thing I feel that we lack these days free time, spare time. How do you all spend your spare time these days? If I have it, let's start with Kenny, because we know kenny has the most free time of all of us, for sure. How do you spend your, let's say, 45 minutes of free time in a day outside of sleeping and work?
Kenny Massa:yeah, I mean, that's the caveat there when it's outside of work for me, it's like I feel like it's like the reverse of some people. I don't really have spare time. So what I have to do is I have to like, prioritize and build in time, but I wouldn't even refer to it as spare at that point because it's prioritized. So it's like I know that I have to take this time allotment out of my schedule to do something else other than work or personal development or something like that, and I know I have to do it just to build in that time to unplug and unplugging is important and there's a lot of science that's coming into play with that. But what do I do? I try to use that time to to bond with my wife more, because I think that that's an important time to be able to do that uh, or to take time to, you know, physically, see you guys and see some of our friends. So I try to watch, uh love is blind, you know friends, so I try to watch
James LaGamma:uh, love is blind, you know, all right, bro listen here.
Ryan Selimos:That is a number two for me. We did not watch it why you should.
Kenny Massa:No, that was uh that time. Seriously that though, that time, like when I watch TV, it's usually a time that me and my wife, like I would say it's something that we do together. Like I'm never I rarely, rarely, watch TV, ever by myself, like I don't even know if I ever do that. Like that's just not a thing. Like that's just not a thing, so like like I could live without a dv. But I use it as a time to create a bonding experience between myself and my wife, because we we both enjoy watching that show together.
Kenny Massa:We both enjoy watching a movie or watching a, you know, a game show. Like you know I don't know if you guys saw like the floor recently like we like game shows, like wheel of fortune, things like that. So we, we do like watching those, uh, jeopardy things like that. So we do like watching those shows. Um, but yeah, I feel like that's that's something that we do. Also, something that we do is play games, like we play uno, or have you ever heard of like phase 10? Phase 10 is like a game made by uno. So we play games, card games and stuff so we do that as well.
Ryan Selimos:I haven't heard of Phase 10, but Uno, once I get that draw four baby, throw it down with authority. It's all about that.
James LaGamma:Uno reverse Ryan.
Kenny Massa:The reverse. I'm all about the wild draw four.
James LaGamma:It's just a meme, that's all. It's funny meme, that's all. Sorry, I'm not with it. It's funny.
Kenny Massa:Sorry, not with the time. So yeah, that's some of the things we do.
Ryan Selimos:Big TV guy over here Fair Appreciate that. We know James is probably fixing something around his house, so that's fine, john.
Jonny Strahl:Big into bird watching, big bird watching guy johnny, that's a false statement.
James LaGamma:You know that because when we live together, we wanted to kill some motherfucking birds, those things, those tweety birds woke us up every morning for like I felt like two months, but I think it was like a month straight, and we were like where's the baby gun. Bird watching, though, all right.
Jonny Strahl:I'm just kidding. Gardening, crafting, writing.
James LaGamma:What else are?
Jonny Strahl:their hobbies. That are not what I do.
James LaGamma:I don't know if that was the right question, but I mean recently you.
Jonny Strahl:That was the right question.
James LaGamma:I mean recently you've been boxing. Yeah, boxing, and you've done that before, when you were younger.
Jonny Strahl:No, I think it's just like it's. Hobbies are an important thing, it's just finding the time. I consider our time together spent is now a hobby. I find a lot of the times where I do have downtime, whether it not be traveling, whether it not be working. Obviously, to Kenny's point, you know you got to find time with your wife or significant other. I would say it's like bucketing in certain different kind of categories.
Jonny Strahl:So for me, like the creative hobbies, obviously really learning, you know, within specific areas, whether that be technology, whether it be business, whether that be technology, whether it be business, whether that be reading, writing, whatever. Those are kind of the the non, like big ones. And then you know my, my thing is like, if I'm trying to escape and just try to not think about anything like it probably relates to sports. That's like my my way. I try to get away, whether it be watching or whatnot. But I've said this before, it's like you know, it's sitting down for three hours to watch a sporting event or to do something. That's a lot of time. It takes a lot off what you're trying to do. There's a bunch of hobbies I like to do, but I don't really stick to one, I guess, like many people do, and then I'm sure we could debate on the topic of like is working out? Is fitness quote unquote a hobby, which I'm kind of in the middle on both there. But yeah, what about you, ryan?
Ryan Selimos:You can't just skip over, james. I'm asking the questions here.
Jonny Strahl:Oh sorry.
Ryan Selimos:Oh yeah, I wanted to flip it back Ryan you can't just skip over, james. I'm asking the questions here, oh sorry. Oh yeah, no, all right, that's fair naturally for Johnny's nature.
Ryan Selimos:Yeah, I'm, you know, specifically a hobby. I struggled a lot with this because I don't know if I same same to you. Like some, a lot of things are in the middle, like do you consider sports a hobby? Do you consider working on a hobby? So I'd like to say golf, though I feel like that's, that's a hobby that we definitely picked up since graduating college, not that we're any good at it. There are a lot of things I I don't want to say I'd like to learn and be make become hobbies, but say I'd like to learn and become hobbies, but probably should you know, as an adult, like being able to fix shit, which I can't. But we'll get to Mr DIY in a second.
Ryan Selimos:You know, for me it's interesting, it's stupid, but football season my life looks a lot different, right? We have a lot more free time when season's over because most of us really enjoy it. Weekends are kind of built around it in a sense, whether it's social gatherings or just spending a lot of time following that, right? So now that we're in that different phase, my wife and I, one thing we're trying to do is we're just like you said in terms of bonding, we're trying to socially go out more and we're going to make that a hobby for us as a couple this year.
Ryan Selimos:Um, I think for for myself not that this is a hobby, but I've said this earlier in the um on earlier episodes I'm trying to read more this year, so I'm trying to make that a hobby of mine this year. So I think for me it's things I'm trying to add as quote unquote hobbies in my free time. Because when we said we're going to do this, I'm looking at it, man, I I watch sports, I play golf, workout, but that doesn't really feel like. It doesn't really feel very hobby, hobby-like. So, you know, it also kind of was a revelation where, hey, man, maybe you should branch out of your comfort zone a little bit more and try some different things you know, as you get that free time, but it all goes back in time.
James LaGamma:Yeah, Ryan, we got to step up our game on that reading endeavor.
Ryan Selimos:We started it. We're still working through it.
James LaGamma:I'm almost done with our first book. That's good. I think a solid goal we can continue to set on that front is at least a book every two months. I know time's tough, but we can wrap up that book. We can probably get another one done by April, now that football's over.
Kenny Massa:I read a lot, but I don't think it's a hobby.
James LaGamma:I feel like I could see it being a hobby if you don't read something.
Kenny Massa:That's personal growth, which is yeah, that's the problem. Every single book is personal growth.
James LaGamma:Yeah but at the same time and I feel like we can talk and dive into, like what hobbies really are. But yeah, it's tough because a lot of us definitely gravitate towards personal growth. I mean, that's part of the reason why we do a podcast, right? Um, I thought hobby well that changed real quick in a way it is.
Ryan Selimos:Don't feel like the damn hobby.
Jonny Strahl:When I said the word hobby, I was like, yeah, that ain't right.
James LaGamma:There's aspects of it. There's aspects, the creative aspects of it can be considered a hobby. Under arts and stuff, video editing is kind of a hobby. Yeah, exactly, they get your mind thinking in a different way. But obviously, as you guys have alluded to, I think I have probably the most hobbies out of all of us and, as Ryan has alluded to, working on stuff.
James LaGamma:But I wouldn't necessarily say, like household improvements fall under the bucket of, uh, hobbies. I would say it's more of like project based, like leisure time, um, but um, I would say tinkering with my truck is definitely a hobby. Um, yeah, there's, there's maintenance stuff that I do, but I do like to improve my truck and I, you know I've built a lot of stuff for it. I've put a lot of small little things into the truck. I want to do more in the engine portion, but mostly it's visual and use case stuff for me. I'm always looking into different stuff. It really just comes into money that actually inhibits me from being able to do further things with my hobbies, into money that actually inhibits me from being able to do further things with my hobbies. Um, but one of the biggest hobbies and probably the most expensive hobby that you would probably all agree with is boating, love, love, surfing. But in order to do that you have to have the vessel and that's expensive. But board sports is definitely something I I I find a lot of enjoyment in and when I can make the time for it, it's not as consistent um other than boating in Florida, cause, yeah, it really can be done almost every single day. It's just when am I down at a lake, but, um, I try to make time for that so I can go do it and it's. It's a lot of fun water sports and plus, it's great to bring people around it, which I think is another reason why I like it so much. People around it, which I think is another reason why I like it so much. But I also think golf is one of mine, the other thing that I find myself I would probably classify this as a hobby rather than like an interest.
James LaGamma:But there's certain movies and shows and stuff that I have a big following under, like Marvel, star Wars, um, really gotten into the monster verse lately with like Godzilla and King Kong and all this stuff a bit of a nerd when it comes to that stuff. Um, Avatar 2 is big lately, uh, but it's like the reason why I say it's probably more hobby based, because I actually do a lot of research on it or I'm staying up to date on a lot of the current events that are going on with it, like I've watched almost every single lick of content. That is what they say. Is you know, within the current timelines, or mangas, sometimes a term that they use Manga? Yeah, I also like do recap videos on top of video that I watch which I don't know. I just find a lot of interest and I have a few friends that I talk about a lot of this stuff, with one of them being Alex Marsh and Ryan used to be a little bit more engaged in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but it's been a little hectic lately.
Ryan Selimos:It's too much, can't keep up. No time. As we said, time is very precious.
James LaGamma:And Marvel. Just just, you're off the list. Yeah, yeah, it's tough. They came out with too much Quantity came out and quantity dropped or sorry, quantity was too much, quality started to drop.
James LaGamma:But one of the other ones that I find interesting too, that I gravitate towards a lot, is under the fitness realm, but it's actually gym equipment. I really like researching gym equipment, expanding my own home gym, um. So I just I find a lot of enjoyment in that, uh, messing around with, uh, creating my own gym equipment, like I've created my own pulley system for my gym. So it's stuff like that that I just find a lot of enjoyment in, like kind of going a step further into normal routine life or obviously expanding it with different aspects, just things that I find enjoyment.
James LaGamma:I actually had a conversation with Lydia once where I was like maybe we shouldn't take this on because we already have too many hobbies, because we were thinking about getting a diver certified to go dive in the ocean and stuff. But I was like I mean it's expensive, but that's like we got to do it and then we're going to end up getting all the stuff and all that, everything like that. So like I mean we live in Florida and snowboarding, something that I wish I could do all the time during the winter. But to get us to a mountain, that's tough, but I have my own snowboard.
Jonny Strahl:I've got all the snowboard gear.
James LaGamma:I've got all the stuff that's necessary. It's just finding the time to travel and go, be able to do that hobby and enjoy. It is difficult and sometimes money is a kind of inhibiting factor.
Kenny Massa:I feel like that's a hobby that we all kind of have together. We all definitely like going skiing or snowboarding.
Kenny Massa:We do that we try to do it once a year together, which I think we would all do it more if it was easier to access. But living in Florida is just a little bit harder to access. I would have to fly to different places. It's just a lot of hustle and bustle to perform that hobby. And it's just a lot of hustle and bustle to perform that hobby. So I think your question comes into, like does a hobby have a certain amount of time that needs to be allocated to it in order to refer to it as a hobby? Because we do that, for you know, we go out to Colorado for four days, yeah, and we have a blast. Like I love skiing with you guys. That's one of my favorite things to do. Unfortunately we weren't able to do it this year, but I would consider that a hobby.
Kenny Massa:We just don't get a lot of time to do it.
James LaGamma:Yeah, a lot of the question marks come up for me, like, is it really a hobby or is it just an interest? And then like, where does travel fit into that? Because, like, could you categorize travel as a hobby? But at the same time, I think your point is is it consistency-based? Is it something that you have to regularly commit to to consider it a hobby? I don't know, maybe hobbies are a dying art, but what do you guys think?
Jonny Strahl:I think, in my opinion I don't know if it's right, but I feel like traveling and like exploring is definitely a hobby, right? Like you think about people going to certain cities or areas or around the world, like exploring different attractions, you know, going on road trips, and then like a big thing now is like people like building their own, like camp, know going on road trips, and then like a big thing now is like people like building their own, like campers, right, like travel vehicles that travel the country or wherever that is.
James LaGamma:The Sprinter vans? Yeah, airstream, they're all like subcultures too.
Jonny Strahl:Yeah, and people have made a living off of this. Now, like, obviously we live in this digital era where you can stream and vlog anything.
James LaGamma:Or rent their stuff out when they're not using it.
Jonny Strahl:Yeah, and I think about us like I wouldn't so much classify, like you know us saying like, hey, traveling is quote unquote, a hobby for us, but it has become a hobby for us in a way because we have done it Some of our fondest and greatest and best memories are when we're in a different state or in a different city or going to an area altogether or separately.
Jonny Strahl:Right Like I think each and every one of us on this call like I've gotten to see a different side of the world, which is pretty cool, like just us four and our significant others or whoever, but I don't know. I feel like definitely traveling and just exploration is somewhat of a hobby, and probably more for others, though you guys are making me feel like I have more hobbies than I thought I had.
Kenny Massa:Yeah, we travel quite a bit, so I mean there's that. But also on like a micro level too, because you know us going to somewhere in Europe doesn't, you know, doesn't have to be. That's like a larger extent, but from a smaller perspective, like what we do sometimes is go for and it's harder now because you know Patty is getting deeper in pregnancy but we'll go for like a hike or something like we did that. Uh, last weekend we went for like an hour and a half hike, two hour hike with the dogs. So, like we, we do that.
James LaGamma:Um, yeah, I was gonna say you do that a lot with the dogs. You take them to the beach. You guys take them on some pretty cool adventures. Um, I agree, hiking is definitely, definitely got to be considered a hobby.
Kenny Massa:For me it's like I want the ultimate unplug and that's like my phone doesn't work out there. It's like you're in the middle of nowhere. So it's like a good way for us to literally just go out there and be on the complete opposite end, because I'm inundated with a lot of calls and a lot of people on a daily basis, so then I try to just get the complete opposite, so that's why I enjoy it.
Jonny Strahl:Let me ask you guys a question just on the topic of there is some type of hobby, there is some type of thing you like to do, of there is some type of hobby there is some type of thing you like to do. Do you feel that your hobbies or your escape right? I feel like in a way, we're utilizing hobbies to escape like reality of, of the hustle, the grind, the commitment to whatever it is. Do you necessarily believe it contributes to your overall well-being and mental health? And or do you find yourself like getting off like a regimen or a schedule when you're not doing your hobbies because you get caught up in work or just stressful times?
Kenny Massa:so the question is do you think that it promotes better health by having a hobby?
Jonny Strahl:Give or take, yeah. Or do you find yourself in a darker place or in a harder place when you're maybe not doing something. That's hobby related, typically to like like I know you and Patty go for walks a lot, like that's a little thing but it goes a long way, probably Cause that's your time, that's me time, right.
James LaGamma:I can take this one pretty, pretty easy. I. I think, um, it's cyclical in in the sense of uh, the weather, so like during the winter time, uh, clearly, like I mentioned, boating can't take the boat I mean you can, but there's wetsuits and shit, but I'm not doing it. There's less activities happening outside, and so I think it does get like mentally draining because I have more focus on work, stress and I don't get to refocus that, and so I think, like a hobby, in my opinion, can do multiple things. Number one obviously it makes you happy. It's something you enjoy, like we could probably all agree on that.
James LaGamma:You're doing it for that reason, but for like a true hobby, like something that you, you really put a lot of time and effort in because you're reoccurringly doing this, is you kind of. It kind of creates this different kind of stress, but it's a more motivated stress because you want to be able to do that thing and you kind of rechannel the negative energy that you may have from work, that negative stress, and do something positive with it, something that gives you joy, that you're challenging your mindset, that maybe you're learning something new or you're having new ways of thinking. It creates this positive stress that really keeps you present in the moment and you kind of fade away from thinking about the future or even the past too. Kind of just keeps you connected, grounded in a sense. And grounded in a sense, uh, and in some areas too, where we're, depending on what type of hobby you're into, it could also create more social interaction too, where maybe there's a community or something you're a part of.
James LaGamma:So I don't know if that's probably a long-winded, but breakdown, but my insights on why I try to have so many hobbies and why I make such a conscious effort to make the time for the hobbies as well. It may be here and there, but and sporadic, but again it's there, fair point for sure. I definitely get an itch too, like I'm. I'm already starting to get, like it's it's springtime, like I'm ready to go out on the boat. I'm ready to go out on the boat, I'm ready to fucking tread.
Ryan Selimos:Until you get there and you know the best thing about a boat is there's always a problem with it. You get there ready to go Listen, motherfucker.
James LaGamma:this boat's so fucking new. It's only two years old. If it has a problem, I'm going to cry. We try to do our best to keep it like, spend the money to keep it correct and working and in good order.
Ryan Selimos:So isn't there a saying out there? A boater's two favorite days is the day he buys the boat, the day he sells the boat, he sells his boat.
James LaGamma:Yes, yeah even like that, so like the minute I get on the boat, I'm telling, telling you like my blood pressure it just reduces, like everything as a pun, but floats away, oh my God, but I'm dead serious, like just being on the water. There's just something about it that it's I can't describe it. I can't describe it. It's just, I leave that event and just feel happier, ready to just be myself, and I'm more joyous. My mood and my energy is just at a different level and it carries for a couple of days until obviously, then I start missing it.
Kenny Massa:I think people can look at hobbies in a different way too, one way that we haven't spoken about, which is using it as a form of attraction for growth. So there's a lot of hobbies that are expensive. Let's say that you have a car hobby and you want to have a car collection. In order to do that, you need to be definitely motivated, to have the finances to be able to support that hobby and in order to do that, it could encourage you to work harder or be more motivated to do hard things and create success to achieve the goal in that hobby. So I think hobbies could be a good thing that could be used as a magnet towards growth and development and success and maturity and, if you look at it in the right perspective, it could be beneficial to your lifestyle in many cases, because it can help you grow.
Kenny Massa:And a lot of hobbies are expensive. Boating is not cheap. Buying a boat is not cheap, and a lot of hobbies are expensive. Boating is not cheap. Buying a boat is not cheap. And then you know you get the boat, but then you got to get the wave runner.
Ryan Selimos:You can't pay for boat gas with thank yous, that's my favorite, that's my favorite one.
Kenny Massa:Yeah, could be used in a different way.
Ryan Selimos:You know I've had a revelation on this call. It's pretty usual. It's going to take us in a little different direction, On the path of hobbies being expensive. Though you know what's a hobby, I don't think we would consider it Fucking shopping. Our significant others love there are definitely females, but for sure our significant others love to shop. You can send them out all day. You send them out with a blank check. It'd be trouble. And then I think Hobby Lobby A lot of women's favorite store is Hobby Lobby. So is it because their hobby is fucking shopping? Great job, Hobby Lobby. Great marketing, great branding, fantastic. But that is 100%, I think, a hobby, at least for some of our wives. And then it burns a hole in our fucking pockets. Very expensive hobby that we don't even get to enjoy. So I've had that revelation this morning, Wanted to get your thoughts.
James LaGamma:Your wife has gone to Hobby Lobby and got something. What are they selling at Hobby Lobby?
Ryan Selimos:I have not a clue, but her and her mother, my mother-in-law absolutely love a good day at Hobby Lobby.
James LaGamma:Is it like a crash? I guess I remember.
Kenny Massa:It's like Michael's.
James LaGamma:See now the Hobby Lobby. I went to sold remote control cars.
Jonny Strahl:No, no, no.
James LaGamma:They sold planes that you know, remote control planes. Am I missing something?
Jonny Strahl:Do they have?
James LaGamma:arts and stuff too. Hobby Lobby's are huge Michael's and Joanne Fabrics. That's different, Like scrapbooking and crafting. I could definitely see that.
Kenny Massa:Does Hobby.
James LaGamma:Lobby sell that stuff.
Kenny Massa:Yes, it's an arts and crafts store, I mean, I know they have like model cars, like a HomeGoods.
Ryan Selimos:These types of places. It's trouble.
James LaGamma:Okay, homegoods is different, but it's all in the same realm Trouble.
Kenny Massa:Yeah, I have heard of shopping as a hobby. I definitely do not enjoy that hobby. I am a person that literally like, if I want something and I need to go to a store to get it, I know exactly what I want, I walk in, I grab it off the shelf, I pay for it and I leave. I don't walk around. I'm not spending my time just like aimlessly walking around like, oh, I might need this, like that's not me, I don't do that and I don't enjoy that.
James LaGamma:I just looked it up. They definitely changed what they sell at a Hobby Lobby. This is not what I used to go to.
Kenny Massa:Hobby Lobby. When did you go there? 20 years ago, when I was a kid, when I was a kid Because I used to love the RC cars.
James LaGamma:We used to do that with my buddies growing up. But and and then model cars. I used to build model cars.
Kenny Massa:Hobby Lobby has been like this for quite a while. So really, man, I'm not thinking away, stay away.
James LaGamma:Oh, I haven't been in years, but I just I was interested because that was my childhood memory. So when you said, morgan likes, I'm like, was she building birdhouses? Is that like?
Ryan Selimos:what is the?
James LaGamma:Yeah, you know what no birdhouses on site, oh we got to try to get Johnny back into birdwatching.
Kenny Massa:So maybe I'll get him a birdhouse for his first place.
Ryan Selimos:That's all we'll get, we'll come over and hang out. Hey, john, that'll be your housewarming gift. John, I'm gonna get you a bird. Bird house appreciate that, thank you man opened up.
Jonny Strahl:Thank you, gonna sit here watch birds it's just quick tidbit on bird watching.
James LaGamma:When lydia and I go up to, uh, the beaks cabin up in upstate new york, I'm telling you there's something else. There are a lot of birds out there. I mean it's there's like nothing other than just wilderness, but hummingbirds are pretty fucking cool to watch. They got a lot of hummingbird features with, like the, the nectar there. It's so fucking crazy to watch them like it's insane yeah, they are cool but anyways, back to shopping.
James LaGamma:um, I don't think that's always just a female activity, because I do get a little bit enjoyment in shopping. But the problem is is I talk myself in and out of buying something before I actually buy it. I do a lot of due diligence before I buy something because I want to make sure it's going to work what I'm trying to get it for. So I can't just go and just throw fucking money and be like, yeah, no, this is good, or it's a really good deal or whatever. I usually buy with purpose, but that's a different thing.
Jonny Strahl:On that topic of, since you brought up shopping, ryan, although, james, you said you kind of like shopping. But speaking of maybe not liking something, have any of you guys tried to get into like a hobby or try to do something within a hobby and just realize, hey, this ain't for you, this is something you don't like, and if so, what was it? That's a good question.
Ryan Selimos:Not yet.
Jonny Strahl:I'll let you know how reading goes reading.
James LaGamma:Yeah, that's probably the one I. I think, being older, if I were to be asked to like get into a video game, I don't think I could get into it again.
Kenny Massa:Younger me, probably would have got into video games, but I don't think I could do it now yeah that's true, like I have nintendo switch, but I got it because we um didn't have like internet for like a month and then that doesn't require internet, surprisingly, um, I don't know who would have known, I guess, um, but I play it for like 15 minutes and like I'm fucking bored, so it's just like I don't know, but there's kids that play this like all day. God, and I don't know.
James LaGamma:I have an X-Dust. It's an Xbox that just collects dust.
Ryan Selimos:Jesus damn it.
James LaGamma:I tried.
Ryan Selimos:What about you, johnny? We're struggling with that question a little bit. You teed it up to us. Is that because you've maybe had an experience like that fresh in mind, or uh, I would say.
Jonny Strahl:I mean, I feel like there's a lot of stuff we've all tried but from like something like I really wanted to try to get into, um, at one point I was like very into like trying to like brew my own beer.
Jonny Strahl:I remember that's it uh, bring your own beer and then it just like the stages, what goes into it there's time, the effort. You then taste it. It tastes like shit and you're just like all right, I'm done with this and I just kind of moved on, but that's like something that just came to mind do you think it was?
James LaGamma:do you think it was because it didn't come out good, or just the process itself? I can see that being defeating yeah, if there's a waiting period.
Kenny Massa:That's the problem. Is there a waiting period for the fermentation?
Jonny Strahl:the process was yeah, it could be I don't know, I feel like that kind of throws you off yeah, if it, if I had to like go into like a, like a subcategory or a category as a whole, I would say, like cooking, right, like, and I like to go. Oh, I just again just the process behind cooking and then cleaning and then all of that and then finding time to actually cook something you really like and you want to put it all in there, like that's something that I struggle with.
James LaGamma:being consistent is definitely cooking Like I like to cook, but it changes from yeah, it changes from feeding yourself and your family to. Can I experiment and like, try something new or expand upon a recipe that I've already kind of curated over the years? I want to make better and fine tune, like a little bit of almost science that goes into it. But you don't, you don't get to do that. But I do agree. I think cooking is a is a really big, big hobby. A lot of people find joy in that that's one that I think I would.
Kenny Massa:I would dive deeper into um, because you just need time yards, you just need time. I do like, I do like cooking, cooking.
Kenny Massa:A good meal is definitely awesome who doesn't like food, exactly, um, one hobby that you brought up where it's like you wereabbled in it, but then it just faded off. When I was younger I played paintball a decent bit. I had paintball guns. But then at one point it's like at what age of running around in the woods shooting people with paintballs is is like enough is enough kind of thing. So it's like I think when high school maybe, hey, like maybe I stopped that I got more involved in you know different things. But um, when I was younger I did that because we grew up in the woods so it was easy to access like different paintball places.
James LaGamma:So you know, I had people and stuff I think, uh, it also comes to like the crowd that you're hanging out with and what their interests are. Usually you start to align your interests with them if you hadn't already had them. So, like I mean, I know a big thing. We've all mentioned golf. Well, except for Kenny. I know, kenny, you want to get into golf.
Kenny Massa:I do. That's also like a six time. It's a four hour.
James LaGamma:Yeah, it's a four hour commitment every time you go, but I know, johnny and Ryan, they picked up golf relatively recently what would you say. It's been like three or four years now, because it was pre-COVID. And I've been golfing since, goodness, since I was in eighth grade, if not actually earlier than that. So it's just something that now we all enjoy to do together when we get the time to do it. Granted, we haven't been on a golf course and probably more than eight months now.
Ryan Selimos:I feel like the three of us but we enjoy it when we are playing good, so we don't enjoy it that often.
James LaGamma:Do we enjoy it ever then? No, we don't. It's that one shot that brings you back, right.
Ryan Selimos:Yeah, I'm fucking 18 out of 120, but oh, I just got a par. I'll be back next week. There's so many good reels out there for fucking golf. It's incredible there is. There's a lot.
Kenny Massa:Welcome to Hot Takes, where we talk about debatable topics. Today's debatable topic is working out a hobby, ryan. What do you think?
Jonny Strahl:Yes, John, no, I don't think yes, john. No, I don't think so.
Kenny Massa:James, I'm on the fence with this one. But I think, the way I approach it, I'm going to say it is a hobby. I think it is a hobby as well.
James LaGamma:John, you're on to this one and a half, I can see a point where you're just taking care of yourself, right, like you're getting exercise. But the reason why I think it's not is because you've, and there's a community aspect to it that I think that that's more of a hobby, where you're you're continuing to grow and progress and trying to achieve something. Sometimes you enter competitions. It almost kind of brings like an amateur aspect to it. Now I I approach it from a different perspective, like I just I get enjoyment out of gym equipment and that's why I have a home gym. So I think that's like a weird hobby of mine is collecting gym equipment and then obviously using it in my workouts and trying to build upon my workouts with different creative ways of doing movements.
Kenny Massa:Well, John, why do you think it's not a hobby?
Jonny Strahl:I don't know it changed my mind, I don't know, I mean, I could see, see, yes, it being a hobby, but I can also see it Like people do it for multiple Reasons and for a lot of it Is health purposes, clearly, or Looking good. I just you know, you've got what you can run, you can cycle, you can swim, you can do yoga, you can play tennis, you can golf. You can do a lot of things. You can power lift, you can do yoga, you can play tennis, you can golf. You can do a lot of things. You can power lift, you can do crossfit. Um, I just think working out as a whole is such a broad spectrum, like, if you want to focus on something specific, maybe so much that could be a hobby.
Jonny Strahl:But I don't know, I just feel like, uh, you got to have like a really, really strong commitment to it, because I feel like people get to it, treat it as a hobby and then it goes away. That's why you see the most people in the gym in January, and then all of a sudden, february, march, gym's empty or not nearly as packed as it was at 6 am or at 6 pm during work hours.
Ryan Selimos:right, so well actually that's a good point you would at least say like your father-in-law, for example, someone who's in better shape at 50-plus than all of us with his Ironman competitions, would you consider that as a hobby for him?
Jonny Strahl:No, I can't Really. No, I can, really, I would say a hobby. I'd say a hobby is a, is a loose, is a loose way to say it, because that is something when it is part of his lifestyle and it's for his betterment and it keeps him going and it's something that is not Like it is a profession at this point.
Ryan Selimos:It wasn't always. I don't know how long he's been doing this.
James LaGamma:He had an interest.
Ryan Selimos:He had an initial interest? Not at all.
Jonny Strahl:How did he get? Involved with it, then Just tagged along, started running, started swimming, started doing stuff.
James LaGamma:He still hates to swim.
Jonny Strahl:It's his worst thing, he does it though.
James LaGamma:The overall experience, though, is he taking it because he's not good at it?
Jonny Strahl:I mean humbly. He would say that's his worst thing.
Kenny Massa:Yeah, but you can't say that you have to.
Ryan Selimos:He gets enjoyment out of it, Maybe not during it but at the end there's got to be some sense of fulfillment, enjoyment. I accomplished this. So it was very interesting to me when you said no, because I think that I would consider that a hobby for someone people that do the Spartan races. Now it turns into more of a lifestyle in a sense for certain individuals, but I think initially it starts at least as a hobby.
James LaGamma:Well, it's a community aspect too. A lot of it, like I don't know it's tough. It's tough because sports is technically a categorization of a hobby. It's something that you do frequently. There's consistency in it and there's a level of enjoyment that he gets from it right, and he's got a different type of approach to it, like there's different goals and motivation that it brings him. It's an interesting take, johnny, the way that you explain it. Why he does it, though, isn't because of enjoyment, it sounds like.
Jonny Strahl:It keeps him sane To a degree.
Kenny Massa:Yeah, but here's the thing, though I think that certain people don't enjoy maybe, that actual activity, but they enjoy the result of that activity. They enjoy the achievement, they enjoy the success, the accolades, they enjoy the hurdles and accomplishments. So I think that is what he enjoys. The process, yeah. The process isn't like, at the end of the day, like working out I don't think is the best part of it, like it hurts if you're doing it right. Working out, I don't think is the best part of it. It hurts if you're doing it right. You're in pain the next day when you can't walk because you're squatting, you're out of breath, you're exhausted. In my case, I puke.
James LaGamma:There's tons of things, but I still puke, Kenny. I don't know if that's the right way to do things.
Kenny Massa:But I still fucking do it. I still do it, but you know it's. But I love working out right. So I think that it doesn't have to be the process. That is the hobby. There's something that's possibly a result of it. That's the hobby. But the process is you know what we see on the face of it, so I would still consider it a hobby.
James LaGamma:I don't know how convincing that was, because I would not consider running a hobby of mine. I fucking hate running and that's why I don't do it. Well, that's the thing I don't like it.
Ryan Selimos:Well, that's the thing that I like.
James LaGamma:I don't like it, but it's part of working out. If you say the term working out, johnny, I think that's what you're getting at. It's a broad loose spectrum, but it's more towards health. There are times I don't want to fucking work out, but I'm doing it because I know it keeps me healthy.
Jonny Strahl:But is that a hobby? If you really diet and do stuff, is that a real deal. I don't really feel better after it.
James LaGamma:Remember I said I was on the fence, All right, first off, number one. On the fence, Number two, I said my approach to fitness in general. I think there's a level of hobby that I have and that's collecting gym equipment 100%. When I get to use it in my workouts I find enjoyment. So my hobby is a little different. But my other point was, like Johnny, you mentioned yoga. I think yoga is a hobby.
Jonny Strahl:For sure.
James LaGamma:I don't think you just do that for your health. There is a sense of fulfillment and enjoyment that comes out of it. They even have a name for it You're a yogi.
Jonny Strahl:I think there's a sense of community and organization that goes around that, and that's where it becomes a hobby yeah, there's a lot of people that are into fitness too to your point, though, like I absolutely hate running and you get you run, but I do it, and I do it because I embrace being uncomfortable and just the suck itself.
James LaGamma:Yeah, you're not approaching it as a hobby.
Jonny Strahl:It's hard for me to say, yeah, that is a true hobby of mine.
Kenny Massa:But you're dedicating spare time to it.
Jonny Strahl:Yeah, I don't know. Consistent.
James LaGamma:Oh, you gave us a thumbs up. We changed your mind.
Ryan Selimos:Yes, all right, end it, cut it.
James LaGamma:Unbelievable.
Jonny Strahl:But like yeah, I think it's just tough Like working out is.
James LaGamma:Ryan no takes.
Ryan Selimos:I said yes, but I'm with Kenny in the sense that we spend so much time, you put so much time into it, especially consistently, and it's spare time. You're not getting paid for it, in a sense.
James LaGamma:Okay, put so much time into it, especially consistently, and it's spare time, you're not getting paid for in a sense.
Ryan Selimos:Okay, so working is a hobby. I said you're not getting paid for it, you get paid for working, so working is absolutely I mean, you cannot get paid for working too working out is a hobby in my opinion.
Ryan Selimos:it's tough, I think, because it's the general view of it. Johnny may have a little something there where, if you get granular in the weeds but a little bit, but I'm not conceding I still think overall working out, fitness in general, can be considered a hobby and is a hobby of mine, and we said that throughout the episode.
Kenny Massa:Yeah, I think it comes down to approach.
James LaGamma:I think if you're, a hobby is something done in spare time. Working out is done in spare time. Unless you don't approach it that way, I think hobby is an activity that brings you enjoyment. If you don't like it, then your approach is off and so now it's no longer considered a hobby to you. So I don't know. I feel like approach comes into play. I approach it in a different way. And I think that that's why I would consider working out as a hobby. Ah, so he's back on the our side of the fence.
Ryan Selimos:I already said I was a yes, you know, you said you were on that.
James LaGamma:You just said you were on the fence I said that at the beginning, but I gave my heart you said that two minutes ago that you were on the fence.
Ryan Selimos:I know that's not the.
James LaGamma:I said I said yes.
Jonny Strahl:Someone's got to be the guy right. Someone's got to say no.
Ryan Selimos:Yeah, sure.
Jonny Strahl:I'm leaning more towards yes, but you know.
Kenny Massa:We changed his mind Thumbs up. How did he get the thing to pop up?
James LaGamma:I don't know, he just did a thumbs up.
Jonny Strahl:Oh the thing oh there, I don't know, he just like did a thumbs up and it just oh the the, the thing.
Kenny Massa:Oh there we go, oh there you go Keep it there.
Jonny Strahl:Yeah, yeah, you got to keep it. That's pretty cool. Oh well, give a middle finger.
James LaGamma:I don't think it I don't think it does Thumbs up.
Kenny Massa:Gotta keep it there. All right, all right, that's it. Hobby equals workout Boom Balloons. How do you do that? You do it at peace side, peace side.
James LaGamma:What is this? Does an alien pop up? If I do this, oh my gosh, probably get balloons. Alien pop up if I do this, oh my god, probably get balloons. Um, so I did a little bit of looking into this, because I was going back and forth on what, when I was trying to figure out what's my hobbies and what are classified as hobbies, um, and so I read into this a little bit and there's this theory called the serious leisure principle, where they take leisure which is kind of what you were alluding to earlier, ryan, like how do you spend your free time, and they broke it out into like three categories which I thought were really interesting.
James LaGamma:So you have casual leisure, which is just like intrinsically rewarding. It's very short lived though, but it's a pleasurable activity that takes little to no preparation. I see that as like watching TV is probably a really good one, going on your phone looking at like a quick video or something like that. It doesn't take much to get that done and it's just like this you had spare time and I'm just going to go do this real quick. There's project-based leisure, which can either be short-term, one-off or an extended project that maybe can build upon itself. That's kind of like the house stuff that we were talking about.
James LaGamma:It's very rewarding when you do that, but the one that they talked about was now, obviously, the theory itself is called under this principle, but it's a serious leisure. So this is where, like, there's a systematic approach, um, almost being like an amateur, a hobbyist or a volunteer, um, so hobbies fall under this serious leisure activity, um, also in line with amateur and volunteer. So like you're spending your time more consistently in a result for a sense of accomplishment is what the theory is. Is that your dog snoring? That's fantastic. So clearly, what I'm talking about is not exciting at all.
James LaGamma:It's a fucking snooze fest.
Jonny Strahl:How can he?
Kenny Massa:do that Unbelievable.
James LaGamma:Unbelievable. Yeah, what do you do in your serious leisure time there, garth?
Ryan Selimos:Fucking snort up.
Kenny Massa:He eats everything. He eats everything. This guy eats. He can eat more than all four of us, I think. He just he doesn't even know when he's in fall, he just eats. Yeah, he'll eat forever. He's like 25 pounds. He'll eat 25 pounds of food.
Ryan Selimos:James put Gar James card to sleep.
James LaGamma:I did. I put him to sleep. This is gonna be fantastic on YouTube oh, dear lord, he's leading a lecture yeah, welcome to my TED talk. If you wanted a snooze fest, you're about to pass the fuck out. God damn it.
Ryan Selimos:We could launch a sleep app and they just let James start talking.
James LaGamma:Yeah, my new hobby is sleep. I find joy in putting people to sleep, that I'm a ventriloquist in a sense. No, not ventriloquist. What's the person that puts people into different states of mind Ventriloquist?
Jonny Strahl:is like a puppeteer person. It's a hip, hip, hip, Hip oh shit. Hip hop anonymous. Isn't there a hip hop?
Kenny Massa:Isn't there a I got that late Isn't there a job where someone talks to you and puts you to sleep? I've seen that.
James LaGamma:Yeah, self-guided meditation.
Kenny Massa:No, it's like a legit job where they talk to you smoothly in a very specific voice and it puts you to sleep. I don't know, it might have been a weird job I saw.
Jonny Strahl:I'm just imagining someone's very specific voice and it like puts you to sleep. I don't know, it might have been a weird job, I saw it.
James LaGamma:I'm just imagining someone's calling you One of us fuckers calling Kenny and be like alright.
Kenny Massa:Kenny, that's how it was. When I watched it I was like what the fuck? This is actually a job. I'm not even kidding. I saw that on something.
Ryan Selimos:This is a good topic. This is a good topic with sleep, because you all know my wife very well and you know that she loves her sleep and we've actively talked about this and she says that you know she just she thoroughly enjoys just taking a nap or sleeping in. I almost am gonna like want to consider this a hobby of hers. I make fun of her.
Kenny Massa:I am the complete opposite you don't like hanging out with me.
Ryan Selimos:Your favorite place is the dream world, but Morgan loves a good nap, so is that a hobby of hers, and she's going to hate that we're bringing this up, but I think it's interesting. I think it's hysterical.
James LaGamma:I think it's casual leisure.
Kenny Massa:You think it's casualical. I think it's casual leisure. You think it's casual?
Ryan Selimos:leisure sleeping.
Kenny Massa:Here's the thing is. Can you?
Ryan Selimos:have, we'll just say nappy. We'll just call it nappy.
James LaGamma:They break down hobbies into different types. You've got collecting, making and tinkering. Activity participation, which may be that sleeping.
Kenny Massa:Keep it short, James, or else it's going to fall asleep.
James LaGamma:Shut up Liberal arts pursuits which is you're crafting and which may be that sleeping. Keep it short, james, or else it's going to fall asleep. Shut up Liberal arts pursuits, which is your crafting, and shit, and then sports and games. I think we use hobby loosely is what I'm trying to get at wholeheartedly.
Kenny Massa:Well, here's the thing too, this is a question that came up theoretically when we were talking. Hobbies typically are done in spare time, correct?
James LaGamma:Yes, and they're relatively consistent.
Kenny Massa:So when you look at spare time or when you look at time allocation in a day, which everyone can do on their phone, you can look at what you've been spending your time on doing. But does the consumption of content in any format reduce the amount of content in any format? Reduce the amount of spare time that you have to invest into extracurricular activities? Meaning if, oh yeah, if you do something in the morning, if you scroll through social media for 30 to 60 minutes, well, did a hobby. If you do that at the end of the day, you could have did a hobby. So there's certain things that I wonder if people or just the general population is having less and less spare time because of all of these advancements that we've had in societal norms.
Ryan Selimos:Advancements, addiction to social media. It could go either way.
James LaGamma:I have a take on this.
Kenny Massa:This just came up while we were talking. I don't have any stance on it.
James LaGamma:There's four type of hobbyists, in my opinion. You've got a maker, a doer, a collector and then our social media friends, the trolls, the people that are just on social media that they find joy in just making these comments and negative freaking bullshit out there and just love the drama. They just love it. I think it is a hobby doing all that stuff.
Ryan Selimos:You think trolling is a hobby?
James LaGamma:Yeah, I think it is Burner accounts.
Kenny Massa:I mean, you know how long that takes people, though. They just sit there for hours doing that. That has to be a hobby. Oh yeah, they just sit there for hours doing that, that has to be a hobby, oh yeah. If there's a definition of a hobby where there's a time commitment, that basically means that it's a hobby, then it definitely is. People do hours of that, so I don't know I don't have an answer to it what?
Ryan Selimos:you got Johnny.
Kenny Massa:I got nothing.
Jonny Strahl:I got nothing, I think so. Yes, people are just scrolling and like scrolling cluelessly just to catch up with all the fake reality in the world. No bueno, not good, trolling this and that Everyone you know the Twitter fingers got to be blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, like great, fuck, that's terrible, hate it. But I also think, on the flip side though, kenny, to your point, is someone being like really driven in the social media or on videos, or watching stuff, to quote unquote, learn from it, or trying to capture something that may help them, because nowadays we're living in such a day and age where our mind can only really freaking, focus on something for so long. So real short, this or that, like you see, like these TikTok things of like people cooking Right, and they give you an entire recipe within 30 seconds, like, oh, I'm going to save that and then use that later to cook.
Jonny Strahl:So I don't know, I think it depends, but I mean I was someone who's guilty of. I don't have a TV. I never, ever since I graduated from college, never had a TV in my bedroom. Why I don't watch TV? Only time I really watch TV is when it's like one on one with Brea and or I'm watching a sporting event. Right, that's about it, but I am guilty of someone who very early on.
James LaGamma:Not so much now, but, dude, I would scroll, scroll and more youtube, though, and I could like watch whatever.
Jonny Strahl:Like I would watch like bushcraft, like camping stuff I don't go camping, I just find enjoyment and therapeutic like if apocalypse happens, what do you do? I'm fucking ready to take it over. I'm ready to go.
Kenny Massa:I've watched no videos on youtube but so I mean, yeah, you're right. I think, like when you kind of think of like podcasts, like that could be, I mean, what's the difference between listening to podcasts as a hobby or reading? You're consuming content just in a different fashion, true?
James LaGamma:so you're right, that could be a hobby yeah, I think it's under that liberal arts like pursuits umbrella, where you know you're consuming media, um, and and media can be considered entertainment, but it's, it's an art form, right, I mean, I don't know how much we'd consider what we do as an art form with this podcast, but I think there's a level of it. I mean, video editing in general is an art form, like when I used to Shit I'm wearing the shirt GoPro Just that was kind of a hobby of mine, right, filming stuff and editing it and kind of making it into a recap video. I just enjoyed doing that. So I can see, going through social media, especially through Johnny's point, where it's more of a professional level or even personal growth element, it could be considered a hobby.
James LaGamma:I think what happens is you have an interest in something and then that interest goes to a length enough to where it becomes a hobby. I really feel like that probably is what it stands into. Agreed, you're educating yourself on a specific topic you find join it, and then it may even go to the links where now you're doing this specific thing, like, for instance, trying to start a podcast. You watch so many of them, like I can do that. I feel like I could share some pretty wisdom-y thoughts out there on the web. We'll get back to you. I've got a curveball of a question, though, out of interest and hobbies. Do you guys have any guilty pleasures, things that like it's a treat, it's a small little break that you may even think is a little embarrassing, just because someone could judge you on it.
James LaGamma:That's like hobby related term guilty comes from, no, just anything that you you do outside of work really, or even maybe could be a guilty pleasure with work, which is could be interesting, um, but it's just, it's any, it's any little treat or small thing that happens, like maybe a guilty pleasure with work, which could be interesting, but it's just any little treat.
James LaGamma:Or small thing that happens Like maybe your guilty pleasure is sweets, like I just 12 am wife's asleep she has no idea I come down and I go into the cookie jar. Or it's like a show that you watch, like Love is Blind, that some people may judge you for. Or you think that they will, they perceive that you they, that you will, they will no, I think um just eating would, would be one like just yeah, like I just enjoy eating but I mean, I'm not.
James LaGamma:But you said like you have to be embarrassed about it or something it's, it's, it's, uh, it's something that could be thought as as embarrassing, taboo or sometimes shameful for you to admit so maybe it's a type of food that you eat no, I don't think it is either because, like we go out, that we go out and experience.
Kenny Massa:I would say we're foodies in a sense, because we experience different types of uh, food experiences.
James LaGamma:It's like being like a wine connoisseur. You're like a food connoisseur, in a sense yeah but I wouldn't say that that's a guilty pleasure. I think your love is blind is probably the best example of a guilty pleasure like my. My good example would probably be I I love watching vampire diaries. Now I've voiced that before, um, but there's a level of you know. I am expecting judgment when I say that.
Kenny Massa:Okay.
James LaGamma:And I have to defend myself, which you do every time with. Love is blind, but it's a guilty pleasure when it comes on, it's a, it's a nice little treat that you can you guys probably watch it.
Kenny Massa:You just don't tell me. But it's fine.
James LaGamma:I have not. I have not watched it. No, I've seen it on the TV when Lydia's watching it and I walk away and go to a different room, or I'll just go to the gym.
Kenny Massa:Whatever, it's fine.
Jonny Strahl:It's fine, I don't have one that I'm ready to share. I guess I got one that comes to mind, but if we hit a million subscribers, maybe a million at this point.
Ryan Selimos:Oh wow, you got that, Nah I don't know, I'm done thinking, but I think I have to say I do it with Morgan, but I watch it every fucking week, so I guess it kind of falls in that realm as a hobby. I do spend time watching Below Deck every Tuesday, oh my God dude, that's on my house right now. The show never fucking ends Ever. There's never an offseason. They just keep expanding. They do.
James LaGamma:There's never enough, just keep expanding.
Ryan Selimos:Like people just love it.
James LaGamma:They broke it out into all the different areas.
Ryan Selimos:It's five years in or no. Well, we've been in Washington, I'm going to say five years into Washington and every Tuesday like clockwork. So I think I have to say it's a guilty pleasure in a sense, because it's always on in my fucking house and there are some good, interesting instances, but I still don't enjoy it. But, below deck, guilty pleasure for Ryan.
James LaGamma:Yeah, all right, it's a lot of drama.
Kenny Massa:Yeah, reality TV just screaming at each other. We can. We can do that. Just put us in the house together for a week. Record us, I'll scream the house together for a week. Record us, I'll scream at you guys for a day.
Ryan Selimos:That's why the ski trip is only four days, Kenny, because if we get more, it starts to get dicey.
Kenny Massa:Oh gosh, cool. Well, I mean, I think that, honestly, I learned a little bit about hobbies and I kind of feel like I have more hobbies than I thought I did based off of the conversation of hobbies, because there's a lot of things that you do without thinking it's a hobby. It's like you don't go into something thinking, oh, I'm doing this as a hobby, you just do it because you enjoy it or it's just a part of your process or a part of a bonding experience between the people that you spend your time with, but it can be considered a hobby.
James LaGamma:So yeah, I think it's good to try to find a hobby. I think, you should implore to find a hobby, especially if you're like you said you don't know if you consider it a hobby or not, hobby or not. I think it's good to have something to look forward to and keep you motivated to work towards an achievement that may not be just work or something that you just get self-fulfillment from.
Kenny Massa:Yeah.
James LaGamma:I might pick up a new hobby now I'm thinking about it. Lydia used to paint. That's a hobby, that's different. I don't know if I'm doing it. I'm just saying it's something that she kind of does on the couch, which is scary as all hell because that paint could go anywhere, but I could tell how much joy she gets, and then you have the thing that's there after it's done. So I don't know, maybe I'll get back into model cars again.
Kenny Massa:I was thinking about it through this. I'm gonna go enjoy one of my hobbies and eat a nice breakfast, all right? Well, y'all have a fun time enjoying your hobbies for the next 20 minutes before work shit and until next time. Until then, y'all have a fun time enjoying your hobbies for the next 20 minutes before work Shit and until next time.
Jonny Strahl:Until then, the Ben Beard TK. News.
